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	<title>Comments on: AP Says Drudge Retort Excerpt &#8216;Matter&#8217; Closed; No Official Policy Announced</title>
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		<title>By: Business Reviews Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Business Reviews Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW I think the whole thing is crazy and I dont know why they would think in this old school way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW I think the whole thing is crazy and I dont know why they would think in this old school way.</p>
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		<title>By: history questions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[history questions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeh policy needs to be made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeh policy needs to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: chciago web deisgn</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2008/06/20/419-ap-says-drudge-retort-excerpt-matter-closed-no-official-policy-announce/#comment-61275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chciago web deisgn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is crazy. I wish they would come up with a policy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is crazy. I wish they would come up with a policy</p>
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		<title>By: bill dupuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill dupuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I question whether Associated Press actually has much say in the matter. These are the reasons:

(1) Much of the material Associated Press runs is taken from its member newspapers and publications. As soon as the member generates material, &quot;Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created,&quot; according to the Copyright Office Thus, with material picked up from members, the original copyright rests with them, not Associated Press.

(2) Associated Press would be able to acquire the original copyright from the member source, but it takes written documentation and registration with the copyright office. It&#039;s unlikely, however, that the Washington Post is going to transfer all of its rights in full.

(3) Associated Press would be able to &quot;share&quot; the copyright under transfer rules, but it must have an agreement with the original author to do so. Just asking to use and redistribute the material shouldn&#039;t be sufficient.

**(My broadcast organization is a &quot;subscriber member&quot; of the Associated Press. Here is the total sum of all our membership agreement has to say about AP&#039;s right to use my material:

**&quot;Subscriber shall, without cost to (AP), promptly make available to (AP) .... all information original to the Subscribe in all forms gathered by Subscriber that is spontaneous in its origin, for use in news report(s) of AP and its subsidiaries.&quot; 

**That&#039;s it. No request to &quot;share&quot; copyright.

Associated Press may place the copyright notice on material I and other subscriber members turn over under our agreement, but it is meaningless. We&#039;ve simply granted them a license to use it, not to share in the copyright.

I may place a copyright notice on any material I get from an associate and I may do it forever. But it has no meaning. Thus, the Associated Press notice on material picked up from the Washington Post similarly has no meaning.

The Copyright Office has no means or authority or desire to enforce the notion of copyrighted material. It is the concern of the original author who may, or may not, call on a trespasser to cease and desist.

My conclusion: Member subscribers of Associated Press have not taken steps to tell their press association to stop &quot;pretending&quot; to have the copyright authority over material they supply AP. But that&#039;s OK. They still own the copyright anyway. It cannot be taken away. By the same token, AP has oversteped in claiming rights they do not have.

All of this tempest about bloggers has been nothing more than &quot;selective harrassment.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question whether Associated Press actually has much say in the matter. These are the reasons:</p>
<p>(1) Much of the material Associated Press runs is taken from its member newspapers and publications. As soon as the member generates material, &quot;Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created,&quot; according to the Copyright Office Thus, with material picked up from members, the original copyright rests with them, not Associated Press.</p>
<p>(2) Associated Press would be able to acquire the original copyright from the member source, but it takes written documentation and registration with the copyright office. It&#39;s unlikely, however, that the Washington Post is going to transfer all of its rights in full.</p>
<p>(3) Associated Press would be able to &quot;share&quot; the copyright under transfer rules, but it must have an agreement with the original author to do so. Just asking to use and redistribute the material shouldn&#39;t be sufficient.</p>
<p>**(My broadcast organization is a &quot;subscriber member&quot; of the Associated Press. Here is the total sum of all our membership agreement has to say about AP&#39;s right to use my material:</p>
<p>**&quot;Subscriber shall, without cost to (AP), promptly make available to (AP) &#8230;. all information original to the Subscribe in all forms gathered by Subscriber that is spontaneous in its origin, for use in news report(s) of AP and its subsidiaries.&quot; </p>
<p>**That&#39;s it. No request to &quot;share&quot; copyright.</p>
<p>Associated Press may place the copyright notice on material I and other subscriber members turn over under our agreement, but it is meaningless. We&#39;ve simply granted them a license to use it, not to share in the copyright.</p>
<p>I may place a copyright notice on any material I get from an associate and I may do it forever. But it has no meaning. Thus, the Associated Press notice on material picked up from the Washington Post similarly has no meaning.</p>
<p>The Copyright Office has no means or authority or desire to enforce the notion of copyrighted material. It is the concern of the original author who may, or may not, call on a trespasser to cease and desist.</p>
<p>My conclusion: Member subscribers of Associated Press have not taken steps to tell their press association to stop &quot;pretending&quot; to have the copyright authority over material they supply AP. But that&#39;s OK. They still own the copyright anyway. It cannot be taken away. By the same token, AP has oversteped in claiming rights they do not have.</p>
<p>All of this tempest about bloggers has been nothing more than &quot;selective harrassment.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Enator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Enator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone else feel that the AP is more than a little disingenuously about this?    Another issue is that the AP has attempted to bury the issue and flooded the web with the headline &quot; AP, blogger resolve dispute over copyright&quot;..   Considering that the AP walked away without resolving the issue again ...disingenuous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else feel that the AP is more than a little disingenuously about this?    Another issue is that the AP has attempted to bury the issue and flooded the web with the headline &quot; AP, blogger resolve dispute over copyright&quot;..   Considering that the AP walked away without resolving the issue again &#8230;disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: About HR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[About HR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a feeling that AP will not fair well in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling that AP will not fair well in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Staci D. Kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Staci D. Kramer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is the full text I received from AP last night, posted within minutes of receipt. it&#039;s the same text that Rogers included in his post this morning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the full text I received from AP last night, posted within minutes of receipt. it&#39;s the same text that Rogers included in his post this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Sutherland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found the statement on Roger Cadenhead&#039;s site. Here is the URL:

http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/3372/ap-settles-dispute-drudge-retort]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the statement on Roger Cadenhead&#39;s site. Here is the URL:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/3372/ap-settles-dispute-drudge-retort" rel="nofollow">http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/3372/ap-settles-dispute-drudge-retort</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2008/06/20/419-ap-says-drudge-retort-excerpt-matter-closed-no-official-policy-announce/#comment-61269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Sutherland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I second Bob&#039;s request. As a working journalist chasing the story, it would be nice to have some sort of attribution. Did the AP release the statement to you? Where was it released? Who is doing the talking, an AP spokesperson?

Thanks for a quick reply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Bob&#39;s request. As a working journalist chasing the story, it would be nice to have some sort of attribution. Did the AP release the statement to you? Where was it released? Who is doing the talking, an AP spokesperson?</p>
<p>Thanks for a quick reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle McCormack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle McCormack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must have taken them all night to draft that non-statement.  Talk about wanting to save face at the expense of saving face.  Just say your sorry.  The only people to whom you want to reach are the very ones who will not buy this explaination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must have taken them all night to draft that non-statement.  Talk about wanting to save face at the expense of saving face.  Just say your sorry.  The only people to whom you want to reach are the very ones who will not buy this explaination.</p>
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