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	<title>Comments on: Apple, Google Privacy Hearing Marked By Confusion, Distractions</title>
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		<title>By: bobthedino2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 11:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;somehow Apple employees believe that collecting a long list of cell tower information and WiFi hotspots doesn’t amount to tracking&quot;

Joe, I don&#039;t see how it does amount to tracking... Tracking means keeping a log of the location of a particular person over time. This is not how Apple&#039;s crowd-sourcing of location data works. As Apple has repeatedly said, the location data sent back to them for the purposes of maintaining their location database is anonymous - this means the data cannot be associated with a particular iPhone. Google, Skyhook and others have similar databases, and they are pretty fundamental to how mobile devices determine their location.

You also need to realise that the location service in iOS also downloads location data from Apple, so that the phone can locate itself via cell towers or Wi-Fi hotspots. This downloaded cache of location data is what was discovered in the consolidated.db file that everyone got so excited about. As Apple has also explained, the phone preemptively downloads data for cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots in a wide radius around your current location, so that the phone doesn&#039;t need to requery Apple when you move from your current position. This is what a cache is for - it is to allow the location of the device to be determined quickly and without having to perform an expensive (in terms of internet data usage and phone battery life) query back to Apple every time.

You might also ask why are there timestamps in the data stored on the phone. Well this is also essential to how a cache works - if iOS wants to delete locations after 7 days (as iOS 4.3.3 now does) it needs to know when the data was originally download from Apple. There&#039;s no other way to do it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;somehow Apple employees believe that collecting a long list of cell tower information and WiFi hotspots doesn’t amount to tracking&#8221;</p>
<p>Joe, I don&#8217;t see how it does amount to tracking&#8230; Tracking means keeping a log of the location of a particular person over time. This is not how Apple&#8217;s crowd-sourcing of location data works. As Apple has repeatedly said, the location data sent back to them for the purposes of maintaining their location database is anonymous &#8211; this means the data cannot be associated with a particular iPhone. Google, Skyhook and others have similar databases, and they are pretty fundamental to how mobile devices determine their location.</p>
<p>You also need to realise that the location service in iOS also downloads location data from Apple, so that the phone can locate itself via cell towers or Wi-Fi hotspots. This downloaded cache of location data is what was discovered in the consolidated.db file that everyone got so excited about. As Apple has also explained, the phone preemptively downloads data for cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots in a wide radius around your current location, so that the phone doesn&#8217;t need to requery Apple when you move from your current position. This is what a cache is for &#8211; it is to allow the location of the device to be determined quickly and without having to perform an expensive (in terms of internet data usage and phone battery life) query back to Apple every time.</p>
<p>You might also ask why are there timestamps in the data stored on the phone. Well this is also essential to how a cache works &#8211; if iOS wants to delete locations after 7 days (as iOS 4.3.3 now does) it needs to know when the data was originally download from Apple. There&#8217;s no other way to do it!</p>
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		<title>By: realitybytes</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2011/05/10/419-senate-hearing-on-mobile-privacy-marked-by-confusion-distractions/#comment-83554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realitybytes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 04:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schumer is long thought in the NY metro area to be a scheming, publicity seeking loudmouth with no actual knowledge about anything he ever is railing against. A perfect example of the empty can making the most noise. Every police department in Monmouth County NJ publishes the DWI checkpoint schedule every week in the newspaper, it&#039;s pretty prevalent. He&#039;s an out of touch idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schumer is long thought in the NY metro area to be a scheming, publicity seeking loudmouth with no actual knowledge about anything he ever is railing against. A perfect example of the empty can making the most noise. Every police department in Monmouth County NJ publishes the DWI checkpoint schedule every week in the newspaper, it&#8217;s pretty prevalent. He&#8217;s an out of touch idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: move on</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[move on]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 21:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;ll second that.  WTF is a dumb ass comic turned politician know other than playing and performiong for the crowd on stage.  Bunch of political dopes attempting to keep all of us in the stone age by fueling concerns about bad apps?  Come on.  Poor Steve Jobs, Google and Apple  - the only companies creating jobs become our monkey politicians vote grabbing playground.  Move on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll second that.  WTF is a dumb ass comic turned politician know other than playing and performiong for the crowd on stage.  Bunch of political dopes attempting to keep all of us in the stone age by fueling concerns about bad apps?  Come on.  Poor Steve Jobs, Google and Apple  &#8211; the only companies creating jobs become our monkey politicians vote grabbing playground.  Move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Janzen</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2011/05/10/419-senate-hearing-on-mobile-privacy-marked-by-confusion-distractions/#comment-83552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Janzen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 18:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Politicians are so stupid. I feel bad for the smart people at Google and Apple who are stuck with trying to reason with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians are so stupid. I feel bad for the smart people at Google and Apple who are stuck with trying to reason with them.</p>
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