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	<title>Comments on: Is It Legal For Google To Shut Competitors Out Of Social Search?</title>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/01/12/419-is-it-legal-for-google-to-shut-competitors-out-of-social-search/#comment-87004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No doubt that Microsoft is after them just as Google is and was after them. Long memories....

My point was not to say that no one has a valid point about Google&#039;s capricious penalties that somehow coincide with their financial interests.

What&#039;s best I guess is up for debate: a list of credit card, shoe, jeans, loan...companies or a comparison service that Google now calls thin but stuffs their theirs on top each time a user searches. That comparision service can&#039;t be that bad, or Google wouldn&#039;t pot it on top of each page right? Best for the users philosophy and all :). What would *you* like on top when you search for insurance? Or loans?

It&#039;s easy to say but the page is (all of the sudden) thin, too dark or too green when you have a competing service and each click puts money in your pocket. Google is gaming results broadly, by making it extremely rewarding to be an advertiser (brand) and of course they control close to 50% of ad market and the other 50% is fractured in a million pieces.

Unless we&#039;re talking about the surgical moves in specific niches that Google has entered. Trust them them to be impartial?

What do you think will happen to your traffic with Google+? If I search for &quot;Google facebook social search&quot; I might have gotten this story on top or near the top because it covers it pretty well, from a reputable source and so on. Now, or soon we will get Google+ pages that have snippets--maybe your snippet--or casually mention it on top, mark my words. You lose traffic to Google, and that is their goal, since ads will be added there very soon. Not everyone will click on them but given the images, logos and other bells in the listings, more than enough people will click on the top links, even if they are not as relevant. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt that Microsoft is after them just as Google is and was after them. Long memories&#8230;.</p>
<p>My point was not to say that no one has a valid point about Google&#8217;s capricious penalties that somehow coincide with their financial interests.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s best I guess is up for debate: a list of credit card, shoe, jeans, loan&#8230;companies or a comparison service that Google now calls thin but stuffs their theirs on top each time a user searches. That comparision service can&#8217;t be that bad, or Google wouldn&#8217;t pot it on top of each page right? Best for the users philosophy and all :). What would *you* like on top when you search for insurance? Or loans?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to say but the page is (all of the sudden) thin, too dark or too green when you have a competing service and each click puts money in your pocket. Google is gaming results broadly, by making it extremely rewarding to be an advertiser (brand) and of course they control close to 50% of ad market and the other 50% is fractured in a million pieces.</p>
<p>Unless we&#8217;re talking about the surgical moves in specific niches that Google has entered. Trust them them to be impartial?</p>
<p>What do you think will happen to your traffic with Google+? If I search for &#8220;Google facebook social search&#8221; I might have gotten this story on top or near the top because it covers it pretty well, from a reputable source and so on. Now, or soon we will get Google+ pages that have snippets&#8211;maybe your snippet&#8211;or casually mention it on top, mark my words. You lose traffic to Google, and that is their goal, since ads will be added there very soon. Not everyone will click on them but given the images, logos and other bells in the listings, more than enough people will click on the top links, even if they are not as relevant. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Roberts</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/01/12/419-is-it-legal-for-google-to-shut-competitors-out-of-social-search/#comment-87003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comment, Michele. I&#039;m no authority on Panda and SEO issues so will leave that to you and others to debate while I learn more.

I do stand by my &#039;Siberia&#039; comment though because I&#039;ve read the lawsuits closely and the legal theories in MyTriggers, SearchComet, ShopCity, etc are pretty thin. I just don&#039;t think Google feared these low-quality sites as competitors and decided to rig their results in response. These cases are also suspicious because the businesses in questions have ties to a gold-plated law firm that works for Microsoft.

Keep in mind too that these antitrust lawsuits may also have an ulterior motive of reaching the discovery stage in order to get access to some of Google&#039;s confidential documents.

For now I don&#039;t think that Google is gaming its results on a widespread basis. But I do think it&#039;s playing with fire by entering other verticals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Michele. I&#8217;m no authority on Panda and SEO issues so will leave that to you and others to debate while I learn more.</p>
<p>I do stand by my &#8216;Siberia&#8217; comment though because I&#8217;ve read the lawsuits closely and the legal theories in MyTriggers, SearchComet, ShopCity, etc are pretty thin. I just don&#8217;t think Google feared these low-quality sites as competitors and decided to rig their results in response. These cases are also suspicious because the businesses in questions have ties to a gold-plated law firm that works for Microsoft.</p>
<p>Keep in mind too that these antitrust lawsuits may also have an ulterior motive of reaching the discovery stage in order to get access to some of Google&#8217;s confidential documents.</p>
<p>For now I don&#8217;t think that Google is gaming its results on a widespread basis. But I do think it&#8217;s playing with fire by entering other verticals.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/01/12/419-is-it-legal-for-google-to-shut-competitors-out-of-social-search/#comment-87002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Recall that, in recent years, small companies have accused Google of
unfairly booting them to the equivalent of search Siberia. They claim
Google lowered them in the search rankings in order to clear the way for
 its own push into new fields like online shopping and travel. The
conspiracy-minded companies (most of which have ties to Microsoft)....however, and produced no convincing evidence that Google plotted against them.&quot;

Jeff you are being careless  here. Google has been accused by small mom and pops and small honest business owners for being booted to Siberia so BRANDS (guess who spends most at Adwords?) can take the top spots. Panda was about shallow content right? Yeah, ok. Check Google&#039;s earnings and see that clicks on ads grew tremendously. Moral of the story: don&#039;t lump all of them together. 

And it&#039;s true that Google has banished travel, credit card comparison, financial comparison, local listings and others for supposedly having thin content that &quot;users don&#039;t like&quot;. It&#039;s not thin when Google puts their own stuff on top of search pages though. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Recall that, in recent years, small companies have accused Google of<br />
unfairly booting them to the equivalent of search Siberia. They claim<br />
Google lowered them in the search rankings in order to clear the way for<br />
 its own push into new fields like online shopping and travel. The<br />
conspiracy-minded companies (most of which have ties to Microsoft)&#8230;.however, and produced no convincing evidence that Google plotted against them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeff you are being careless  here. Google has been accused by small mom and pops and small honest business owners for being booted to Siberia so BRANDS (guess who spends most at Adwords?) can take the top spots. Panda was about shallow content right? Yeah, ok. Check Google&#8217;s earnings and see that clicks on ads grew tremendously. Moral of the story: don&#8217;t lump all of them together. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s true that Google has banished travel, credit card comparison, financial comparison, local listings and others for supposedly having thin content that &#8220;users don&#8217;t like&#8221;. It&#8217;s not thin when Google puts their own stuff on top of search pages though. </p>
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		<title>By: Sue Basko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue Basko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading comprehension.   The writer is talking about the new Google+ search that gathers personalized info from off a user&#039;s Google+ account and stream to supposedly cherrypick items of interest to the user.   I don&#039;t think that is a very good idea, but it based on things like Pandora and Itunes Genius, which suggest music you might like.  This is all based on the idea that you want the same old stuff and are not interested in finding out about new things. I think any Google user with normal search skill knows how to limit their own search results so it meets their immediate needs.  I guess the trick to avoiding skewed search is to be sure you have not checked any &quot;keep me logged in&quot; box.

Could we all just pay $1 per year to Google or facebook and be done with all this commercialization?  Could internet services be considered utilities like gas and electric and we can simply be billed rather than having the integrity of the service compromised by annoying attempts to make money?  Suppose if every time you went to plug something in an outlet, a commercial played?   At this point, internet services such as Google search are as vital as electricity.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading comprehension.   The writer is talking about the new Google+ search that gathers personalized info from off a user&#8217;s Google+ account and stream to supposedly cherrypick items of interest to the user.   I don&#8217;t think that is a very good idea, but it based on things like Pandora and Itunes Genius, which suggest music you might like.  This is all based on the idea that you want the same old stuff and are not interested in finding out about new things. I think any Google user with normal search skill knows how to limit their own search results so it meets their immediate needs.  I guess the trick to avoiding skewed search is to be sure you have not checked any &#8220;keep me logged in&#8221; box.</p>
<p>Could we all just pay $1 per year to Google or facebook and be done with all this commercialization?  Could internet services be considered utilities like gas and electric and we can simply be billed rather than having the integrity of the service compromised by annoying attempts to make money?  Suppose if every time you went to plug something in an outlet, a commercial played?   At this point, internet services such as Google search are as vital as electricity.    </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please read my piece carefully. As Jamie notes, Twitter and Facebook results turn up in Google&#039;s regular search results. The point here is that Google could include these pages in its social search results but is choosing not to.

In the bigger picture, I find Google&#039;s practices no worse (and often better) than its competitors. And I admire the company for its overall transparency and its unwillingness to stoop to the dirty tricks practiced by others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read my piece carefully. As Jamie notes, Twitter and Facebook results turn up in Google&#8217;s regular search results. The point here is that Google could include these pages in its social search results but is choosing not to.</p>
<p>In the bigger picture, I find Google&#8217;s practices no worse (and often better) than its competitors. And I admire the company for its overall transparency and its unwillingness to stoop to the dirty tricks practiced by others.</p>
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		<title>By: contentnext</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[contentnext]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, it&#039;s not true that Google doesn&#039;t and can&#039;t parse Twitter and Facebook front end pages.  And they do all of the time.  I see Twitter especially in the actual search results.  There&#039;s definitely some disingenuousness going on on both sides here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not true that Google doesn&#8217;t and can&#8217;t parse Twitter and Facebook front end pages.  And they do all of the time.  I see Twitter especially in the actual search results.  There&#8217;s definitely some disingenuousness going on on both sides here.</p>
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		<title>By: markZPersonalassist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[markZPersonalassist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously Jeff (the author is uninformed).  Both Facebook and Twitter has opted out of google with &quot;nofollow&quot; and their contracts.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously Jeff (the author is uninformed).  Both Facebook and Twitter has opted out of google with &#8220;nofollow&#8221; and their contracts.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Rader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly what I was going to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what I was going to say.</p>
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		<title>By: pdxuser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pdxuser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, how did this get written? Google hasn&#039;t shut anyone out. Twitter and Facebook have decided to wall off their user data, so Google uses FriendFeed, Quora, LiveJournal, WordPress, etc. If Twitter and Facebook allow Google to index their data, I&#039;m sure Google would love to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, how did this get written? Google hasn&#8217;t shut anyone out. Twitter and Facebook have decided to wall off their user data, so Google uses FriendFeed, Quora, LiveJournal, WordPress, etc. If Twitter and Facebook allow Google to index their data, I&#8217;m sure Google would love to.</p>
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