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	<title>Comments on: Rhyming &amp; Stealing: Let&#8217;s honor late Beastie with better copyright laws</title>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the Beasties were sued over a few seconds of flute music even after they paid to use it.&quot;  I do believe they were sued b/c they didn&#039;t pay for use of the music contained in the recorded sample. Two different copyrights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Beasties were sued over a few seconds of flute music even after they paid to use it.&#8221;  I do believe they were sued b/c they didn&#8217;t pay for use of the music contained in the recorded sample. Two different copyrights.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While a more efficient, streamlined licensing and rights-clearing process is something I think most people could agree upon, I am also looking forward to the day when artists feel more comfortable about the boundaries of fair use and can rely on the fact that, in many cases, when they borrow small pieces of others&#039; work to accomplish a new artistic purpose, they have therefore transformed that copyrighted material and are protected by fair use.

The growing proliferation of fair use &quot;best practices&quot; guides and the growing tendency of judges to accept &quot;transformative use&quot; as the touchstone for fair use analysis will be helpful in this regard.

While of course some artists would prefer to clear samples and not risk legal liability (something that the Beasties in fact actually did with the samples on Paul&#039;s Boutique, for the most part), I would argue that the samples on Paul&#039;s Boutique are clearly used for a different underlying purpose (i.e. postmodern pastiche/collage rather than the purposes of the underlying works sampled).  (This is of course an ideal example of &quot;transformativeness&quot; - things are much murkier when an artist uses the &quot;heart&quot; of a prior work as the entire underlying portion of a song with no intent to parody, comment, critique, etc., instead merely freeriding on the creative work of another).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While a more efficient, streamlined licensing and rights-clearing process is something I think most people could agree upon, I am also looking forward to the day when artists feel more comfortable about the boundaries of fair use and can rely on the fact that, in many cases, when they borrow small pieces of others&#8217; work to accomplish a new artistic purpose, they have therefore transformed that copyrighted material and are protected by fair use.</p>
<p>The growing proliferation of fair use &#8220;best practices&#8221; guides and the growing tendency of judges to accept &#8220;transformative use&#8221; as the touchstone for fair use analysis will be helpful in this regard.</p>
<p>While of course some artists would prefer to clear samples and not risk legal liability (something that the Beasties in fact actually did with the samples on Paul&#8217;s Boutique, for the most part), I would argue that the samples on Paul&#8217;s Boutique are clearly used for a different underlying purpose (i.e. postmodern pastiche/collage rather than the purposes of the underlying works sampled).  (This is of course an ideal example of &#8220;transformativeness&#8221; &#8211; things are much murkier when an artist uses the &#8220;heart&#8221; of a prior work as the entire underlying portion of a song with no intent to parody, comment, critique, etc., instead merely freeriding on the creative work of another).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/05/06/rhyming-stealing-lets-honor-late-beastie-with-better-copyright-laws/#comment-96314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please tell that to Google and Oracle who are fighting over copyright and patent ownership right now.  Maybe you should explain to them how innovative they could be w/o these outdated laws, let me know how that turns out]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell that to Google and Oracle who are fighting over copyright and patent ownership right now.  Maybe you should explain to them how innovative they could be w/o these outdated laws, let me know how that turns out</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Hood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 22:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a publisher who has spent his life creating copyrighted materials I wish I could be on the side of copyright in this conversation. But I think the author makes a great point. We need a simple system for users to borrow and reference others work in the digital era--without layers of lawyers or other intermediaries. 
Theft remains theft but in earlier eras a great deal of progress in science and art occurred due to theft. Essentially blues, folk, and rock &#039;n&#039; roll of the &#039;50s were built on judicious of lifting from black and Appalachian musicians of earlier eras. American industry in the 19th century stole from the UK as readily as Chinese manufacturers copy us today.
What we really need is clearer, more consistent copyright law, not more draconian punishments for infractions. And we need to keep in mind that the goal of copyright law is always not to make sure that creators get rich, but that they are incentivized just enough to keep on creating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a publisher who has spent his life creating copyrighted materials I wish I could be on the side of copyright in this conversation. But I think the author makes a great point. We need a simple system for users to borrow and reference others work in the digital era&#8211;without layers of lawyers or other intermediaries.<br />
Theft remains theft but in earlier eras a great deal of progress in science and art occurred due to theft. Essentially blues, folk, and rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll of the &#8217;50s were built on judicious of lifting from black and Appalachian musicians of earlier eras. American industry in the 19th century stole from the UK as readily as Chinese manufacturers copy us today.<br />
What we really need is clearer, more consistent copyright law, not more draconian punishments for infractions. And we need to keep in mind that the goal of copyright law is always not to make sure that creators get rich, but that they are incentivized just enough to keep on creating.</p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/05/06/rhyming-stealing-lets-honor-late-beastie-with-better-copyright-laws/#comment-96165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 21:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you even read this article?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you even read this article?</p>
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		<title>By: TNlawguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TNlawguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Roberts: Your comment in both your article and your reply to Mr. Beem infers that the statutory damages of $150,000.00 is the only remedy a court can award a plaintiff whose work has been infringed.  That is misleading at best.  It is a RANGE of statutory damages: $750.00 to $150,000.00 per infringement are the available statutory damages and are set at the discretion of the court.  And, yes, when an infringement is egregious enough (willful, knowing, repeated), $150,000.00 is entirely appropriate.

As for the duration of copyright, yes, life of the last surviving author plus 70 years is appropriate given that the Copyright Act provision on termination of transfer is finally coming into effect the original authors (or their heirs) will finally have the opportunity to get their copyrights back and completely benefit from them.

As for licensing samples the article also is misleading in that what is in a sample can be reproduced provided statutory royalties are paid.  No, it is not taking from the source, but that&#039;s the point.  If the work is original the Copyright Act provides that for sound recordings the creator need not secure a mechanical license from the owner of the musical composition, but can instead secure a compulsory license provided the composition has previously been distributed to the public for a private use (a so-called &quot;first use&quot;).

People who use someone else&#039;s works to create something &quot;new&quot; should secure the appropriate rights to do so.  While I am not opposed to a more convenient method to license copyright -protected works, your approach is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The common approach by creative folks (and I am one and have worked with them for over 35 years) is to do everything backwards.  They most often create, release and then seek a license.  If they approached the process professionally most of the time the problems you mention would not exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Roberts: Your comment in both your article and your reply to Mr. Beem infers that the statutory damages of $150,000.00 is the only remedy a court can award a plaintiff whose work has been infringed.  That is misleading at best.  It is a RANGE of statutory damages: $750.00 to $150,000.00 per infringement are the available statutory damages and are set at the discretion of the court.  And, yes, when an infringement is egregious enough (willful, knowing, repeated), $150,000.00 is entirely appropriate.</p>
<p>As for the duration of copyright, yes, life of the last surviving author plus 70 years is appropriate given that the Copyright Act provision on termination of transfer is finally coming into effect the original authors (or their heirs) will finally have the opportunity to get their copyrights back and completely benefit from them.</p>
<p>As for licensing samples the article also is misleading in that what is in a sample can be reproduced provided statutory royalties are paid.  No, it is not taking from the source, but that&#8217;s the point.  If the work is original the Copyright Act provides that for sound recordings the creator need not secure a mechanical license from the owner of the musical composition, but can instead secure a compulsory license provided the composition has previously been distributed to the public for a private use (a so-called &#8220;first use&#8221;).</p>
<p>People who use someone else&#8217;s works to create something &#8220;new&#8221; should secure the appropriate rights to do so.  While I am not opposed to a more convenient method to license copyright -protected works, your approach is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.</p>
<p>The common approach by creative folks (and I am one and have worked with them for over 35 years) is to do everything backwards.  They most often create, release and then seek a license.  If they approached the process professionally most of the time the problems you mention would not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: MCObot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MCObot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Word!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Stoltz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Stoltz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 10:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am currently involved in a copyright infringement suit where a company manufactured and made available for distribution  numerous studio and live albums      without ever paying a penny to the Artists.
So, in some cases statutory damages of up to $150,000 per infringement are not only necessary,I feel that $150,000 is not enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently involved in a copyright infringement suit where a company manufactured and made available for distribution  numerous studio and live albums      without ever paying a penny to the Artists.<br />
So, in some cases statutory damages of up to $150,000 per infringement are not only necessary,I feel that $150,000 is not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point, although current copyright works are outdated and vague resemblances are fought in court.  If all industries were as anal as the music one, we wouldn&#039;t have the innovation we have now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, although current copyright works are outdated and vague resemblances are fought in court.  If all industries were as anal as the music one, we wouldn&#8217;t have the innovation we have now.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 04:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone creates copyrighted content. Everyone creates. Under US law, something is copyrighted as soon as it is fixed, whether or not it has commercial purposes. I assume you mean that you make your living from selling works that you&#039;ve created.

Yes, the creators of works do not, and should not, have sole authority about how their works are used once those works have been published. That&#039;s part of the bargain we make in copyright- there are exemptions to copyright for societal benefit, with the ultimate destination of the public domain. That&#039;s not to say that people can do absolutely anything they want with the work- there are certainly uses that are wrong and unfair.

The act of creation often involves use or inspiration from other existing work. To pretend that there&#039;s no creativity in copying is akin to saying that there&#039;s no creativity in photography. There can be a great deal of creativity in each. Was Paul&#039;s Boutique or Licensed to Ill uncreative because of sampling? No.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone creates copyrighted content. Everyone creates. Under US law, something is copyrighted as soon as it is fixed, whether or not it has commercial purposes. I assume you mean that you make your living from selling works that you&#8217;ve created.</p>
<p>Yes, the creators of works do not, and should not, have sole authority about how their works are used once those works have been published. That&#8217;s part of the bargain we make in copyright- there are exemptions to copyright for societal benefit, with the ultimate destination of the public domain. That&#8217;s not to say that people can do absolutely anything they want with the work- there are certainly uses that are wrong and unfair.</p>
<p>The act of creation often involves use or inspiration from other existing work. To pretend that there&#8217;s no creativity in copying is akin to saying that there&#8217;s no creativity in photography. There can be a great deal of creativity in each. Was Paul&#8217;s Boutique or Licensed to Ill uncreative because of sampling? No.</p>
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