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	<title>Comments on: Apple is already fighting Amazon in the ebook price wars</title>
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	<description>The economics of digital content</description>
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		<title>By: john parikhal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john parikhal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is really selling at a &#039;loss&#039;? No one. The paper book model worked like this. 

New book $25 retail. Shipped on consignment (!!) which means the retailer didn&#039;t pay till it sold. AND, if it sold, they kept 50%. And, that&#039;s a paper book which likely cost $3 or more to print and ship. So, the publisher got a max of $$9.50 and had to pay the author. If the books didn&#039;t sell, they got &#039;remaindered&#039; and the publisher had to take them back (pay the shipping) or the $25 book was sold for $6 or less in the bookstore. VERY inefficient. And, the author had to wait 18 months to get paid (and was often cheated at that).

The digital model has no printing, no shipping, no leftovers (often as high as 30% of a run for a hit book and 95% for a stiff). Sales are transparent and the author and publisher can get paid right away.

So, if Amazon or Apple take $3 on a $10 book, the publisher is getting $7 and can lower overhead dramatically in the bargain (trucks, warehouses, etc.). Not much different than the print model. Just faster and easier for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is really selling at a &#8216;loss&#8217;? No one. The paper book model worked like this. </p>
<p>New book $25 retail. Shipped on consignment (!!) which means the retailer didn&#8217;t pay till it sold. AND, if it sold, they kept 50%. And, that&#8217;s a paper book which likely cost $3 or more to print and ship. So, the publisher got a max of $$9.50 and had to pay the author. If the books didn&#8217;t sell, they got &#8216;remaindered&#8217; and the publisher had to take them back (pay the shipping) or the $25 book was sold for $6 or less in the bookstore. VERY inefficient. And, the author had to wait 18 months to get paid (and was often cheated at that).</p>
<p>The digital model has no printing, no shipping, no leftovers (often as high as 30% of a run for a hit book and 95% for a stiff). Sales are transparent and the author and publisher can get paid right away.</p>
<p>So, if Amazon or Apple take $3 on a $10 book, the publisher is getting $7 and can lower overhead dramatically in the bargain (trucks, warehouses, etc.). Not much different than the print model. Just faster and easier for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedConsumer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JadedConsumer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple&#039;s new wholesale contract with HarperCollins isn&#039;t for 30%, which is why it can discount the book without impacting HarperCollins&#039; business.  HarperCollins can&#039;t allow deep discounting without limits, or it&#039;d go broke on vendors selling its content for peanuts while it bled marketing funds and editorial overhead.  The move from agency to wholesale included a move from fixed retail pricing to fixed wholesale pricing.  Apple can&#039;t price it below wholesale without a loss, and why would Apple do that?  Apple&#039;s money is in the device, not the content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple&#8217;s new wholesale contract with HarperCollins isn&#8217;t for 30%, which is why it can discount the book without impacting HarperCollins&#8217; business.  HarperCollins can&#8217;t allow deep discounting without limits, or it&#8217;d go broke on vendors selling its content for peanuts while it bled marketing funds and editorial overhead.  The move from agency to wholesale included a move from fixed retail pricing to fixed wholesale pricing.  Apple can&#8217;t price it below wholesale without a loss, and why would Apple do that?  Apple&#8217;s money is in the device, not the content.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded Consumer</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/apple-is-already-fighting-amazon-in-the-ebook-price-wars/#comment-147839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaded Consumer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple has made it clear that it will not leave a price umbrella below which competitors have safety from Apple&#039;s competition:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/842641-apple-pricing-policy-pricing-power-and-profit
Look at how low pricing has become on the lowest-end iPods, and the fact iPhone 4 is now &quot;free with contract&quot;.  Apple is more than willing to compete at lower and lower prices.  With the world&#039;s largest online store (iTumes, App Store, Apple Store) Apple may even be in a position to achieve lower per-transaction costs than Amazon.  Electronic content may not be a field in which Apple is doomed to sell second behind a &quot;wholesaler&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has made it clear that it will not leave a price umbrella below which competitors have safety from Apple&#8217;s competition:<br />
<a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/842641-apple-pricing-policy-pricing-power-and-profit" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/842641-apple-pricing-policy-pricing-power-and-profit</a><br />
Look at how low pricing has become on the lowest-end iPods, and the fact iPhone 4 is now &#8220;free with contract&#8221;.  Apple is more than willing to compete at lower and lower prices.  With the world&#8217;s largest online store (iTumes, App Store, Apple Store) Apple may even be in a position to achieve lower per-transaction costs than Amazon.  Electronic content may not be a field in which Apple is doomed to sell second behind a &#8220;wholesaler&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bara Minata</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bara Minata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 03:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which makes you wonder why Apple was (still is) so adamant on the agency model in the first place eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which makes you wonder why Apple was (still is) so adamant on the agency model in the first place eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Al Norman</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/apple-is-already-fighting-amazon-in-the-ebook-price-wars/#comment-147342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Norman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2) Apple has an X.99 pricing policy (or it did back in April 2010). It does not price anything ending in any other number. Thus, it&#039;s price matching does not equal a true price match unless the matched price equals something ending in X.99. I&#039;d be willing to bet good money that Apple&#039;s price match policy under the old contract (that I assume it is still operating under) allowed it to drop down to the next lowest X.99.

That is why you saw a price drop below 10.94. A 10.99 price would have placed Apple at a disadvantage. A 9.99 price would have kept to its X.99 business model. Amazon went to 10.94, Hence, Apple went to 9.99.

3) Which is why I said semantically incorrect. Anytime a retailer can discount but pays the same wholesale price, it is hard to call the model agency. The distributor is just suggesting the price, and the retailer chooses or declines to accept the price. That is wholesale in 99.9% of the retail world.

In summary, I find it hard to believe Apple would exit its contract early, a contract which gave it no risk against a wholesale model--because of the MFN, it always received a 70% cut (and thus profit). What I see is the old contract is working as it intended, and the price matches are not some new play by Apple but the old contract clauses kicking in to allow Apple to price match.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2) Apple has an X.99 pricing policy (or it did back in April 2010). It does not price anything ending in any other number. Thus, it&#8217;s price matching does not equal a true price match unless the matched price equals something ending in X.99. I&#8217;d be willing to bet good money that Apple&#8217;s price match policy under the old contract (that I assume it is still operating under) allowed it to drop down to the next lowest X.99.</p>
<p>That is why you saw a price drop below 10.94. A 10.99 price would have placed Apple at a disadvantage. A 9.99 price would have kept to its X.99 business model. Amazon went to 10.94, Hence, Apple went to 9.99.</p>
<p>3) Which is why I said semantically incorrect. Anytime a retailer can discount but pays the same wholesale price, it is hard to call the model agency. The distributor is just suggesting the price, and the retailer chooses or declines to accept the price. That is wholesale in 99.9% of the retail world.</p>
<p>In summary, I find it hard to believe Apple would exit its contract early, a contract which gave it no risk against a wholesale model&#8211;because of the MFN, it always received a 70% cut (and thus profit). What I see is the old contract is working as it intended, and the price matches are not some new play by Apple but the old contract clauses kicking in to allow Apple to price match.</p>
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		<title>By: authorscottnicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[authorscottnicholson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t see how Apple can possibly win here. &quot;Let&#039;s sell at the same lower price so people will buy more expensive devices upon which to read!&quot; Apple cares nothing about books--they just played the agency game for the publicity, which is less important now. And when Amazon is giving away a free Kindle with a year&#039;s Prime membership--which will certainly happen by next year if not by this Christmas--it&#039;s hard to see where Apple even stays in the game on books. 

Then again, Apple has never really pretended to be an ereader.

Scott Nicholson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t see how Apple can possibly win here. &#8220;Let&#8217;s sell at the same lower price so people will buy more expensive devices upon which to read!&#8221; Apple cares nothing about books&#8211;they just played the agency game for the publicity, which is less important now. And when Amazon is giving away a free Kindle with a year&#8217;s Prime membership&#8211;which will certainly happen by next year if not by this Christmas&#8211;it&#8217;s hard to see where Apple even stays in the game on books. </p>
<p>Then again, Apple has never really pretended to be an ereader.</p>
<p>Scott Nicholson</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Hazard Owen</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/apple-is-already-fighting-amazon-in-the-ebook-price-wars/#comment-147335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Hazard Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) &quot;Apple is operating under a new contract with HarperCollins, as dictated by the settlement.&quot; Do you have evidence of this? -- No, you&#039;re right that we don&#039;t know for sure that Apple is operating under a new contract. However ...

2) You&#039;re right that the MFN clause meant Apple could drop its prices to match others. However, as I wrote here yesterday (http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/the-price-drops-begin-what-do-harpercollins-ebooks-cost-now/) what actually happened yesterday was that Apple first priced two bestsellers at $9.99, and Amazon dropped *its* prices to match later in the day. There&#039;s no reason for Apple to pre-emptively drop prices under the old contract.

3) &quot;Nor do Apple and publishers have to make wholesale contracts. This is semantically incorrect. Agency allowed the distributor to set the final price and keep that price firm.&quot; -- Agency means that the publisher sets the price and the retailer takes a commission. Agency pricing has been effectively declared legal and can continue now as long as the publisher doesn&#039;t restrict discounting. Call the new model &quot;agency lite&quot; (as Michael Cader is calling it) or whatever, but it&#039;s not exactly wholesale; Judge Cote distinguishes between the two in her acceptance of the final settlement.

She writes, &quot;The Government and critics of the settlement dispute whether the decree effectively disallows agency pricing and therefore dictates a particular business model. The Court states no opinion on this issue as it is largely semantic and irrelevant to the disposition of this matter. The terms of the decree speak for themselves: they disallow restrictions on retail discounting for two years subject to certain limited exceptions.&quot; (p. 16) Later she writes &quot;In other words, even through the relief in the decree is both well-tethered to the Complaint and narrow, it may nonetheless effectively end agency pricing for e-books&quot; (p. 29) -- but not necessarily.

The important part of continuing this limited type of agency for publishers is that they still pay retailers a commission and can negotiate with retailers &quot;a commitment from an e-book retailer that a retailer’s aggregate expenditure on discounts and promotions of the Settling Defendant’s ebooks will not exceed the retailer’s aggregate commission under an agency agreement in which the publisher sets the ebook price and the retailer is compensated through a commission.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) &#8220;Apple is operating under a new contract with HarperCollins, as dictated by the settlement.&#8221; Do you have evidence of this? &#8212; No, you&#8217;re right that we don&#8217;t know for sure that Apple is operating under a new contract. However &#8230;</p>
<p>2) You&#8217;re right that the MFN clause meant Apple could drop its prices to match others. However, as I wrote here yesterday (<a href="http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/the-price-drops-begin-what-do-harpercollins-ebooks-cost-now/" rel="nofollow">http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/the-price-drops-begin-what-do-harpercollins-ebooks-cost-now/</a>) what actually happened yesterday was that Apple first priced two bestsellers at $9.99, and Amazon dropped *its* prices to match later in the day. There&#8217;s no reason for Apple to pre-emptively drop prices under the old contract.</p>
<p>3) &#8220;Nor do Apple and publishers have to make wholesale contracts. This is semantically incorrect. Agency allowed the distributor to set the final price and keep that price firm.&#8221; &#8212; Agency means that the publisher sets the price and the retailer takes a commission. Agency pricing has been effectively declared legal and can continue now as long as the publisher doesn&#8217;t restrict discounting. Call the new model &#8220;agency lite&#8221; (as Michael Cader is calling it) or whatever, but it&#8217;s not exactly wholesale; Judge Cote distinguishes between the two in her acceptance of the final settlement.</p>
<p>She writes, &#8220;The Government and critics of the settlement dispute whether the decree effectively disallows agency pricing and therefore dictates a particular business model. The Court states no opinion on this issue as it is largely semantic and irrelevant to the disposition of this matter. The terms of the decree speak for themselves: they disallow restrictions on retail discounting for two years subject to certain limited exceptions.&#8221; (p. 16) Later she writes &#8220;In other words, even through the relief in the decree is both well-tethered to the Complaint and narrow, it may nonetheless effectively end agency pricing for e-books&#8221; (p. 29) &#8212; but not necessarily.</p>
<p>The important part of continuing this limited type of agency for publishers is that they still pay retailers a commission and can negotiate with retailers &#8220;a commitment from an e-book retailer that a retailer’s aggregate expenditure on discounts and promotions of the Settling Defendant’s ebooks will not exceed the retailer’s aggregate commission under an agency agreement in which the publisher sets the ebook price and the retailer is compensated through a commission.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Al Norman</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/apple-is-already-fighting-amazon-in-the-ebook-price-wars/#comment-147329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Norman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Apple is operating under a new contract with HarperCollins, as dictated by the settlement.&quot; 

Do you have evidence of this? That they have a new contract ready does not mean they are operating under it yet. The settlement dictated 7 days from acceptance of the settlement. That has yet to pass, and if Apple is not operating under the new contract, that 7 days may get stayed by a court action--Kohn has filed a motion for just this, and Apple has hinted that it may do the same, probably in an emergency motion to the Second Circuit.

&quot;Apple couldn’t cut prices before, only the publisher could.&quot;

Incorrect. Remember the MFN clause? That gave Apple the right to match any other retailer&#039;s price, which is a price cut made by Apple. Apple appears to be doing just this, which if it is still operating under its old contract, it has every right to do and without risk of selling below cost. What Apple could not do was unilaterally cut prices on agency titles without the the reason of price-matching.

&quot;Nor do Apple and publishers have to make wholesale contracts.&quot;

This is semantically incorrect. Agency allowed the distributor to set the final price and keep that price firm. If the retailer is paying a set price at the wholesale level and has the ability to discount, it is a wholesale model, else anything with an MSRP would be considered agency pricing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apple is operating under a new contract with HarperCollins, as dictated by the settlement.&#8221; </p>
<p>Do you have evidence of this? That they have a new contract ready does not mean they are operating under it yet. The settlement dictated 7 days from acceptance of the settlement. That has yet to pass, and if Apple is not operating under the new contract, that 7 days may get stayed by a court action&#8211;Kohn has filed a motion for just this, and Apple has hinted that it may do the same, probably in an emergency motion to the Second Circuit.</p>
<p>&#8220;Apple couldn’t cut prices before, only the publisher could.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incorrect. Remember the MFN clause? That gave Apple the right to match any other retailer&#8217;s price, which is a price cut made by Apple. Apple appears to be doing just this, which if it is still operating under its old contract, it has every right to do and without risk of selling below cost. What Apple could not do was unilaterally cut prices on agency titles without the the reason of price-matching.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nor do Apple and publishers have to make wholesale contracts.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is semantically incorrect. Agency allowed the distributor to set the final price and keep that price firm. If the retailer is paying a set price at the wholesale level and has the ability to discount, it is a wholesale model, else anything with an MSRP would be considered agency pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Hazard Owen</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/apple-is-already-fighting-amazon-in-the-ebook-price-wars/#comment-147318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Hazard Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not correct. Apple is operating under a new contract with HarperCollins, as dictated by the settlement. We don&#039;t know what kind of cut Apple is taking (it may not still be taking a 30% commission), and with the publisher setting the books&#039; list price (which they can still continue to do, even under the new arrangement), when Apple sells the books at a discount it is in fact doing something very different from what it has previously done in the ebook marketplace.

Apple couldn&#039;t cut prices before, only the publisher could. The settlement allows Apple (and other retailers) to discount as much as they want (though publishers have the option to negotiate the condition that the retailer does not sell the publisher&#039;s entire line for less than the entire commission it receives). Nor do Apple and publishers have to make wholesale contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not correct. Apple is operating under a new contract with HarperCollins, as dictated by the settlement. We don&#8217;t know what kind of cut Apple is taking (it may not still be taking a 30% commission), and with the publisher setting the books&#8217; list price (which they can still continue to do, even under the new arrangement), when Apple sells the books at a discount it is in fact doing something very different from what it has previously done in the ebook marketplace.</p>
<p>Apple couldn&#8217;t cut prices before, only the publisher could. The settlement allows Apple (and other retailers) to discount as much as they want (though publishers have the option to negotiate the condition that the retailer does not sell the publisher&#8217;s entire line for less than the entire commission it receives). Nor do Apple and publishers have to make wholesale contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Norman</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2012/09/11/apple-is-already-fighting-amazon-in-the-ebook-price-wars/#comment-147311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Norman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this article is way too premature. Apple is still operating under its old contracts, which give it the ability to match prices and still receive a profitable cut. By this, Apple is doing nothing different from what it has always done in its ebook marketplace. It has no risk in cutting prices under the current agency contract.

Write this article again in a month when Apple is operating on a wholesale contract like Amazon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this article is way too premature. Apple is still operating under its old contracts, which give it the ability to match prices and still receive a profitable cut. By this, Apple is doing nothing different from what it has always done in its ebook marketplace. It has no risk in cutting prices under the current agency contract.</p>
<p>Write this article again in a month when Apple is operating on a wholesale contract like Amazon.</p>
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