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	<title>Comments on: Ebook price drops begin &#8212; and Apple is discounting, too</title>
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		<title>By: DrBob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DrBob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, there are fixed costs for ebook production, just like there are fixed costs for print production.  If you&#039;re doing both, most, but not all, of the fixed costs are duplicated, so the additional fixed cost for conversion is not as much as doing a new book by any means.

The variable cost for ebooks is quite close to nil, and so in a free market, one should expect that that variable cost difference would result in a discounted price for the ebook (which is what justifies the purchase of an ebook reader and connectivity charges).  In a corrupted market, we&#039;d see pricing similar to what we see now.

That&#039;s the market question.  The ethical question is what the &quot;value added&quot; is of the publishing house, and why they shouldn&#039;t just be eliminated with author-direct options.  I would think it&#039;s the editing, the monetary advance for authors (mild financial risk-taking), and the digital production assistance.  For most authors, it&#039;s probably not the marketing help, but for some that would apply.   

For most production industries, the OEM (original manufacturer... author in this case), makes about a third of the gross.  In publishing, I understand the author makes much less than that, which would again be a sign of a corrupt market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are fixed costs for ebook production, just like there are fixed costs for print production.  If you&#8217;re doing both, most, but not all, of the fixed costs are duplicated, so the additional fixed cost for conversion is not as much as doing a new book by any means.</p>
<p>The variable cost for ebooks is quite close to nil, and so in a free market, one should expect that that variable cost difference would result in a discounted price for the ebook (which is what justifies the purchase of an ebook reader and connectivity charges).  In a corrupted market, we&#8217;d see pricing similar to what we see now.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the market question.  The ethical question is what the &#8220;value added&#8221; is of the publishing house, and why they shouldn&#8217;t just be eliminated with author-direct options.  I would think it&#8217;s the editing, the monetary advance for authors (mild financial risk-taking), and the digital production assistance.  For most authors, it&#8217;s probably not the marketing help, but for some that would apply.   </p>
<p>For most production industries, the OEM (original manufacturer&#8230; author in this case), makes about a third of the gross.  In publishing, I understand the author makes much less than that, which would again be a sign of a corrupt market.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael W. Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael W. Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This market isn&#039;t what many think it is. If Apple wants, it can bleed Amazon dry with extensive ebook discounting.

For instance, imagine a bestselling ebook that wholesales for $14.99 and both Apple and Amazon discount it to $9.99. Assume each retains their current market share--roughly 10% and 70%  Both   lose $5 on each sale, but the similarity ends there.

Apple sells 10,000 copies losing $50,000. With about $100 billion in the bank, that&#039;s nothing. Also Apple can write off that loss as a way to increase the highly profitable sales of their iPads. It only needs to sell about 500 additional iPads to recoup the cost of those 10,000 discounted books.

Amazon sells 70,000 copies, losing $350,000. With its tight profit margins, that hurts. And it can&#039;t write off that loss with profits from sold-at-cost Kindles and given-away-for-free Kindle apps.

Notice the key difference. While both get the same marketing edge with their competitive discount--&quot;we have the cheapest ebook prices,&quot; only Apple is in a position to make money in this battle. 

There are reasons for that:

* Apple&#039;s business model has always been to use ebooks to sell their mobile devices. Ebooks from Apple only run on its highly profitable mobile devices. My hunch is that it can easily subsidize below cost ebook sales with addition iPad sales. 

* Amazon&#039;s business model is to subsidize device sales with ebook sales. It doesn&#039;t improve their profits if selling more ebooks means more Kindle sales.  It can&#039;t make up losses on ebooks with those profitless Kindle sales.

* Finally, a savvy reader of many ebooks can easily figure out that the smart move it to pay a bit more and buy an iPad. If Apple&#039;s ebook price is cheaper, buy from it. If Amazon&#039;s price is cheaper, buy from it and use the iPad&#039;s Kindle app. (The reverse isn&#039;t true.) That means that Amazon&#039;s $5/book loss is in many cases subsidizing the sale of iPads.

I&#039;d wondered why Apple wasn&#039;t creating ebook readers for any other platform, not even Macs. Now I think I know why.

Amazon may live to regret encouraging the DOJ to go after Apple and the Big Six publishers. As the dominant ebook retailer with the best ereaders and ebook ecosystem,, it already had a major advantage even though agency pricing meant it couldn&#039;t sell for less than its competitors. That 30% markup on most titles was a very good thing, and may be something Amazon execs look back on with longing. But that isn&#039;t all.

Amazon&#039;s real goal, many believe, was to sell below cost to destroy competitors, Then it would own the market and could set any price it liked, most probably forcing publishers to sell to it at very low prices. Amazon, with only a data download and a financial transaction to pay for, can make money on low prices much easier than publishers.

If Apple choses to match Amazon&#039;s price cuts, Amazon is in a game it can never win. Longterm, Amazon is likely to find their ebook losses unsustainable, while Apple is likely to find that its losses are more than made up by increased iPad sales.

And those increase iPad sales mean fewer Kindle and Samsung sales.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This market isn&#8217;t what many think it is. If Apple wants, it can bleed Amazon dry with extensive ebook discounting.</p>
<p>For instance, imagine a bestselling ebook that wholesales for $14.99 and both Apple and Amazon discount it to $9.99. Assume each retains their current market share&#8211;roughly 10% and 70%  Both   lose $5 on each sale, but the similarity ends there.</p>
<p>Apple sells 10,000 copies losing $50,000. With about $100 billion in the bank, that&#8217;s nothing. Also Apple can write off that loss as a way to increase the highly profitable sales of their iPads. It only needs to sell about 500 additional iPads to recoup the cost of those 10,000 discounted books.</p>
<p>Amazon sells 70,000 copies, losing $350,000. With its tight profit margins, that hurts. And it can&#8217;t write off that loss with profits from sold-at-cost Kindles and given-away-for-free Kindle apps.</p>
<p>Notice the key difference. While both get the same marketing edge with their competitive discount&#8211;&#8221;we have the cheapest ebook prices,&#8221; only Apple is in a position to make money in this battle. </p>
<p>There are reasons for that:</p>
<p>* Apple&#8217;s business model has always been to use ebooks to sell their mobile devices. Ebooks from Apple only run on its highly profitable mobile devices. My hunch is that it can easily subsidize below cost ebook sales with addition iPad sales. </p>
<p>* Amazon&#8217;s business model is to subsidize device sales with ebook sales. It doesn&#8217;t improve their profits if selling more ebooks means more Kindle sales.  It can&#8217;t make up losses on ebooks with those profitless Kindle sales.</p>
<p>* Finally, a savvy reader of many ebooks can easily figure out that the smart move it to pay a bit more and buy an iPad. If Apple&#8217;s ebook price is cheaper, buy from it. If Amazon&#8217;s price is cheaper, buy from it and use the iPad&#8217;s Kindle app. (The reverse isn&#8217;t true.) That means that Amazon&#8217;s $5/book loss is in many cases subsidizing the sale of iPads.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wondered why Apple wasn&#8217;t creating ebook readers for any other platform, not even Macs. Now I think I know why.</p>
<p>Amazon may live to regret encouraging the DOJ to go after Apple and the Big Six publishers. As the dominant ebook retailer with the best ereaders and ebook ecosystem,, it already had a major advantage even though agency pricing meant it couldn&#8217;t sell for less than its competitors. That 30% markup on most titles was a very good thing, and may be something Amazon execs look back on with longing. But that isn&#8217;t all.</p>
<p>Amazon&#8217;s real goal, many believe, was to sell below cost to destroy competitors, Then it would own the market and could set any price it liked, most probably forcing publishers to sell to it at very low prices. Amazon, with only a data download and a financial transaction to pay for, can make money on low prices much easier than publishers.</p>
<p>If Apple choses to match Amazon&#8217;s price cuts, Amazon is in a game it can never win. Longterm, Amazon is likely to find their ebook losses unsustainable, while Apple is likely to find that its losses are more than made up by increased iPad sales.</p>
<p>And those increase iPad sales mean fewer Kindle and Samsung sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Bohdan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bohdan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the problems with physical books is that you are actually paying for the return of unsold books.  The price of the cost of overprinting/returning to publisher is passed on to the customer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems with physical books is that you are actually paying for the return of unsold books.  The price of the cost of overprinting/returning to publisher is passed on to the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: ricdesan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ricdesan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well then Ben, Publishers need to find a new line of work if they cant stand not reaping giant profits. Better yet why dont we just publish direct and cut them out all together. ITS not like they offer any value to the ebook process. Perhaps authors would like to sell direct to readers! I know I would.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then Ben, Publishers need to find a new line of work if they cant stand not reaping giant profits. Better yet why dont we just publish direct and cut them out all together. ITS not like they offer any value to the ebook process. Perhaps authors would like to sell direct to readers! I know I would.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to ask, do you need a brick and mortar publishing house if you do ebooks? Similar to not needing brick and mortar retail outlets like Borders? Many of the costs would go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to ask, do you need a brick and mortar publishing house if you do ebooks? Similar to not needing brick and mortar retail outlets like Borders? Many of the costs would go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynnd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that the publsher&#039;s apologists forgot to mention is that they have to charge more so that they can pay huge salaries and bonusses to their top executives...

With respect to their arguments about having to maintain different software for the different publishing formats, there is a simple answer to that.  Don&#039;t!.  Standardize the format and if a retailer wants their own proprietary format make them do (and pay for) their own conversions.  That, by the way, would have the side benefit of taking away some of Amazon&#039;s power in the marketplace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that the publsher&#8217;s apologists forgot to mention is that they have to charge more so that they can pay huge salaries and bonusses to their top executives&#8230;</p>
<p>With respect to their arguments about having to maintain different software for the different publishing formats, there is a simple answer to that.  Don&#8217;t!.  Standardize the format and if a retailer wants their own proprietary format make them do (and pay for) their own conversions.  That, by the way, would have the side benefit of taking away some of Amazon&#8217;s power in the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaxs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like more publishers whining in these comments than mature adults. There are many very good ebooks that have been published either by small houses or self-published that were priced very low and have become successful. They are not all poorly written, full of errors, poor editing and formatting. The fact Agency Publishers are so far behind others who had the foresight to invest in the technology is no excuse to pass that cost to the consumer.
You also forgot that with hardcovers and paperbacks, there is the cost of storing books before shipping, and also the cost of books returned and not sold and taking up valuable storage place. You have to ship those books to all your suppliers versus an electronic file that is formatted once for each type of ereader.
Also with respect to the different types of ebook types required( gee 4 tops) Well if you are having a problem, do like the rest of us and use a library management program. If an 9 year old can take the Amazon book I purchased for him and convert it so it works perfectly on his ePub only device, please don&#039;t try and make the general public believe your argument because you will make laughing stocks of yourselves. The rest of us have had to convert ebook formats in order to battle the Agency pricing to get a better deal. Often that meant having to buy the wrong format. No big deal, we convert. I happen to be a very early ebook user and was a customer of Fictionwise, now bought by B&amp;N, they have an ereader format  with a .pdb extension. No new ereader can read that format, even iPad doesn&#039;t read this. With today&#039;s ereaders my 700 original books all need converting if I want to read them. So I have been doing this for 2 years. Please tell me where have you guys been. This is all done within 1 program for crying out loud that is free on top of that. I own over 15,000 ebooks and counting because I&#039;m a quadriplegic and frankly hardcover books are too difficult to manage. I started building my ebook library with BAEN who is the most progressive and proactive publisher anywhere. They offer their entire catalogue of ebooks free to those who are medically qualified. They deserve a place of honor, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
The general public aren&#039;t fools. Many of us have worked with computers and frankly if you come out with such foolish answers then maybe your particular firms shouldn&#039;t do books and the authors should work with better publishers. There are many very good new authors that we would never have read had it not been for the new trends. I enjoy a Patterson, Koontz etc.. But I refuse to pay more for an ebook than I would for a paperback, it&#039;s price gouging, plain and simple. Given what I have read and heard about these issues, the general public won&#039;t stand for increased pricing and if you held a public forum on this topic, I would say that most would agree with the points that I have made. If other authors can sell well written books @ 2.99 &amp; 3.99 and make a good income after paying their expenses, then something is wrong with the picture presented in your arguments! Thanks from an avid &amp; intellectual reader &amp; writer!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like more publishers whining in these comments than mature adults. There are many very good ebooks that have been published either by small houses or self-published that were priced very low and have become successful. They are not all poorly written, full of errors, poor editing and formatting. The fact Agency Publishers are so far behind others who had the foresight to invest in the technology is no excuse to pass that cost to the consumer.<br />
You also forgot that with hardcovers and paperbacks, there is the cost of storing books before shipping, and also the cost of books returned and not sold and taking up valuable storage place. You have to ship those books to all your suppliers versus an electronic file that is formatted once for each type of ereader.<br />
Also with respect to the different types of ebook types required( gee 4 tops) Well if you are having a problem, do like the rest of us and use a library management program. If an 9 year old can take the Amazon book I purchased for him and convert it so it works perfectly on his ePub only device, please don&#8217;t try and make the general public believe your argument because you will make laughing stocks of yourselves. The rest of us have had to convert ebook formats in order to battle the Agency pricing to get a better deal. Often that meant having to buy the wrong format. No big deal, we convert. I happen to be a very early ebook user and was a customer of Fictionwise, now bought by B&amp;N, they have an ereader format  with a .pdb extension. No new ereader can read that format, even iPad doesn&#8217;t read this. With today&#8217;s ereaders my 700 original books all need converting if I want to read them. So I have been doing this for 2 years. Please tell me where have you guys been. This is all done within 1 program for crying out loud that is free on top of that. I own over 15,000 ebooks and counting because I&#8217;m a quadriplegic and frankly hardcover books are too difficult to manage. I started building my ebook library with BAEN who is the most progressive and proactive publisher anywhere. They offer their entire catalogue of ebooks free to those who are medically qualified. They deserve a place of honor, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.<br />
The general public aren&#8217;t fools. Many of us have worked with computers and frankly if you come out with such foolish answers then maybe your particular firms shouldn&#8217;t do books and the authors should work with better publishers. There are many very good new authors that we would never have read had it not been for the new trends. I enjoy a Patterson, Koontz etc.. But I refuse to pay more for an ebook than I would for a paperback, it&#8217;s price gouging, plain and simple. Given what I have read and heard about these issues, the general public won&#8217;t stand for increased pricing and if you held a public forum on this topic, I would say that most would agree with the points that I have made. If other authors can sell well written books @ 2.99 &amp; 3.99 and make a good income after paying their expenses, then something is wrong with the picture presented in your arguments! Thanks from an avid &amp; intellectual reader &amp; writer!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Randell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Randell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just checked &quot;Fallen Angel&quot; by Daniel Silva on Amazon.com and found the Kindle price is $15.90? Wed 12/9/12 8.00a.m. GMT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked &#8220;Fallen Angel&#8221; by Daniel Silva on Amazon.com and found the Kindle price is $15.90? Wed 12/9/12 8.00a.m. GMT</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s true that an e-book doesn&#039;t have the paper costs - but that was always the cheapest part of publishing a book. Most of the price is based on writing, editing, formatting, publicity, and anything else that comes before the actual e-book or printed book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that an e-book doesn&#8217;t have the paper costs &#8211; but that was always the cheapest part of publishing a book. Most of the price is based on writing, editing, formatting, publicity, and anything else that comes before the actual e-book or printed book.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many reader may not realized, most ebooks are done by conversion houses. They want cheap and discounted ebooks? Be careful what you ask for. QA is lacking right now across the board. Don&#039;t complaint about funky breaks, drop text, broken links etc. I can assure you no one will care if we move toward this direction. Let&#039;s not forget, publishers also have the option of NOT creating ebooks at all...if they can&#039;t control their pricing then why bother making a few cents that barely covers your cost? (it&#039;s unlikely for any publishers to take this path but it is not impossible if the situation gets worst). I think we are going to see and experiences rapid changes in publishing in a hurry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many reader may not realized, most ebooks are done by conversion houses. They want cheap and discounted ebooks? Be careful what you ask for. QA is lacking right now across the board. Don&#8217;t complaint about funky breaks, drop text, broken links etc. I can assure you no one will care if we move toward this direction. Let&#8217;s not forget, publishers also have the option of NOT creating ebooks at all&#8230;if they can&#8217;t control their pricing then why bother making a few cents that barely covers your cost? (it&#8217;s unlikely for any publishers to take this path but it is not impossible if the situation gets worst). I think we are going to see and experiences rapid changes in publishing in a hurry.</p>
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