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	<title>Comments on: Fixing online comments &#8212; how do you automate trust?</title>
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		<title>By: Ellie K</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2013/02/06/fixing-online-comments-how-do-you-automate-trust/#comment-199582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellie K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jake: StackExchange uses a flavor of Creative Commons licensing, maybe CC/by-sa/ as the default. I didn&#039;t read anything about content on the Discourse site, nor Coding Horror&#039;s blog post when it was announced..

There&#039;s information about the source code&#039;s open access license. That is the focal point now. Author/publisher rights will need to be addressed once Discourse sees real use. Of course, that could be in the ToS or another part of the website that I overlooked ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake: StackExchange uses a flavor of Creative Commons licensing, maybe CC/by-sa/ as the default. I didn&#8217;t read anything about content on the Discourse site, nor Coding Horror&#8217;s blog post when it was announced..</p>
<p>There&#8217;s information about the source code&#8217;s open access license. That is the focal point now. Author/publisher rights will need to be addressed once Discourse sees real use. Of course, that could be in the ToS or another part of the website that I overlooked ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellie K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 04:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill Seitz,
Good point! I think that YOU are correct. I just read the first blog entry on the Discourse site, written by Jeff Atwood, here&#039;s the URL
http://blog.discourse.org/2013/02/the-discourse-team/

It specifically refers to Discourse as a standalone Forum system, as you said. That&#039;s the reason it has so many features. That makes more sense, as it would be overkill to have THAT much functionality in a comment system! 

Disqus is an adequately featured comment system but isn&#039;t open source (not that I am complaining). Discourse is open source on Github, but IS a forum system. In the blog post comments, to which Jeff responds, they discuss the possibility of Discourse as a phpBB alternative. Any idea why Discourse was described here as a comment system?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Seitz,<br />
Good point! I think that YOU are correct. I just read the first blog entry on the Discourse site, written by Jeff Atwood, here&#8217;s the URL<br />
<a href="http://blog.discourse.org/2013/02/the-discourse-team/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.discourse.org/2013/02/the-discourse-team/</a></p>
<p>It specifically refers to Discourse as a standalone Forum system, as you said. That&#8217;s the reason it has so many features. That makes more sense, as it would be overkill to have THAT much functionality in a comment system! </p>
<p>Disqus is an adequately featured comment system but isn&#8217;t open source (not that I am complaining). Discourse is open source on Github, but IS a forum system. In the blog post comments, to which Jeff responds, they discuss the possibility of Discourse as a phpBB alternative. Any idea why Discourse was described here as a comment system?</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2013/02/06/fixing-online-comments-how-do-you-automate-trust/#comment-199527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget about the DMCA copyright infringement risk of author/publisher involvement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget about the DMCA copyright infringement risk of author/publisher involvement.</p>
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		<title>By: billseitz</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2013/02/06/fixing-online-comments-how-do-you-automate-trust/#comment-199392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billseitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought Discourse was more of a standalone Forum system than a blog-comment system....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Discourse was more of a standalone Forum system than a blog-comment system&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ansel Santosa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ansel Santosa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a few companies like TrustCloud trying to automate trust. Worth checking them out: http://trustcloud.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few companies like TrustCloud trying to automate trust. Worth checking them out: <a href="http://trustcloud.com" rel="nofollow">http://trustcloud.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lauren @ AchieveIt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren @ AchieveIt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of bloggers completely ignore their readers, no wonder people feel they can post whatever they want!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of bloggers completely ignore their readers, no wonder people feel they can post whatever they want!</p>
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		<title>By: brunoboutot</title>
		<link>http://paidcontent.org/2013/02/06/fixing-online-comments-how-do-you-automate-trust/#comment-199338</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Mathew for returning to this topic that refused to be solved by the usual means of mass media and mass marketing. You are right to question the possibility that trust can be automated. Countless studies (especially studies of trust among stock market brokers) have shown that trust between people is based on the memory of past interactions. But it is a relationship between specific people, not a measurable quantity. It seems obvious, but you can trust somebody for his or her knowledge on wine, but this “trust” quantity is not transferable to another “trust” quantity on legal, medical or plumbing advice.

    Yes, the “social Web” is a decade old, but The Well will soon celebrate its 28th anniversary. “Community” is just a word to describe how to manage relationship between people inside a collective platform where they have a stable identity and where interactions are memorized: reputation and trust can only grow – or not – between people, not as a transferable quantity. The obstinate aversion of news media to recognize – and to study – how communities do it is appalling.

    Oh! Sure, there is a problem: Communities work only one person at a time. It scales, but very slowly, especially at the beginning. And our publishers and marketers – and VC – are only interested in anything that can work one million at a time. Sorry folks, no shortcut. On the other hand, the first to start a real community will have a head start. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mathew for returning to this topic that refused to be solved by the usual means of mass media and mass marketing. You are right to question the possibility that trust can be automated. Countless studies (especially studies of trust among stock market brokers) have shown that trust between people is based on the memory of past interactions. But it is a relationship between specific people, not a measurable quantity. It seems obvious, but you can trust somebody for his or her knowledge on wine, but this “trust” quantity is not transferable to another “trust” quantity on legal, medical or plumbing advice.</p>
<p>    Yes, the “social Web” is a decade old, but The Well will soon celebrate its 28th anniversary. “Community” is just a word to describe how to manage relationship between people inside a collective platform where they have a stable identity and where interactions are memorized: reputation and trust can only grow – or not – between people, not as a transferable quantity. The obstinate aversion of news media to recognize – and to study – how communities do it is appalling.</p>
<p>    Oh! Sure, there is a problem: Communities work only one person at a time. It scales, but very slowly, especially at the beginning. And our publishers and marketers – and VC – are only interested in anything that can work one million at a time. Sorry folks, no shortcut. On the other hand, the first to start a real community will have a head start. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mathew Ingram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Dave :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dave :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Winer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Winer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trust me. No really. Heh. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me. No really. Heh. :-)</p>
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